Thursday, November 18, 2004

Liberal Slate supports Marine

The shooting of an unarmed Iraqi was a tragedy.
But was it a war crime?

Mata Musing:

In my comment to Mav's posting below, I was more than pleasantly taken a'back to see much more of the MSM lending support to the Marine's actions in Falluja than condemning him as a war criminal.

On that same note, the very liberal Slate.msn.com also lends it's support thru above article. The stellar account and analysis covers more than just the event, but commentary on the perceptions that so bother me... that the world media likens this event to the murder of Margaret Hassan, insinuating our American warriors are no better than the terrorists themselves.

As Alia loves to say... Bull puckey. But I'll allow this two gents to say it better than I ever could.

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The twin essences of war are chaos and killing, so the very idea of placing inflexible constraints on the act of killing is at odds with the fundamental nature of warfare. Managing this cognitive dissonance while trying to stay alive takes tremendous skill. Professional militaries, like the U.S. Marine Corps, do this well because of their discipline and training. But the very existential nature of combat tilts the moral plane under these young riflemen's boots. In a place where you are fighting for your very survival, like the streets of Fallujah, any action that keeps you alive is a good one. And any misstep could get you or your buddies killed.

In this unit's case, one early lesson in Fallujah was to avoid Iraqis altogether, dead or alive. Iraqis wearing National Guard uniforms had ambushed them, killing one of their own. Another Marine had been killed when an explosive detonated under an insurgent corpse. Several insurgents had continued desperate fights notwithstanding gruesome wounds. Others tried to exploit the civil-military moral gap, acting as soldiers at 500 meters and as civilians when the Marines closed in. The Iraqis in the mosque may have been immobile, but to the Marines, they posed a threat.

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On the same day as this story, the tragic news broke that CARE International worker Margaret Hassan had been executed by her captors in Iraq. Already, there have been cries of moral equivalence. One Iraqi told the Los Angeles Times: "It goes to show that [Marines]
are not any better than the so-called terrorists." Al Jazeera fanned these flames of anti-American sentiment by broadcasting the shooting incident in full while censoring Hassan's execution snuff tape. (U.S. networks refused to air actual footage of both killings.) There is a simplistic appeal to such arguments because both events involve the killing of a human being and, more specifically, the apparent execution of a noncombatant in the context of war.

Yet it is the differences between these two killings that reveal the most important truths about the Marine shooting in Fallujah. Hassan was, in every sense of the word, a noncombatant. She worked for more than 20 years to help Iraqis obtain basic necessities: food, running water, medical care, electricity, and education. The Iraqi insurgents kidnapped her and murdered her
in order to terrorize the Iraqi population and the aid workers trying to help them.

By contrast, the Marines entered a building in Fallujah and found several men who, until moments before, had been enemy insurgents engaged in mortal combat. A hidden grenade would have changed everything, and the Marine would have been lauded. As it turned out, the Iraqi was entitled to mercy, but Hassan was truly innocent. There is no legitimate moral equivalence between a soldier asking for quarter and a noncombatant like Hassan.

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1 comment:

MataHarley said...

I doubt you will find anyone here who doesn't believe war is horrible, Tom. We would all like to live in that utopia the world behaves as one big happy family.

But I assure you, with loved ones risking their lives overseas, up front and close accounts of their daily lives at our fingertips, few of us are are blind to the reality of life, death and hardships.

But your statement "That is what we are trying to do - do terrible things - when we invade another country." strikes me as short sighted at best. We do not invade to conquer and annex. We invade to losen the grip of a terrorist run regime in order to make that country less friendly as a haven to those who seek to kill all infidels, and perhaps establish the new caliphate.

You call the action in Iraq "illegal" and based on lies. The intel you call lies was common, believed by the world community. And truth be told, you can't close the book on WMD's even today. Are you even curious to know what was moved via convoy to Syria, Lebanon and Iran in the months prior to our arrival? Do you wonder what the Iraqi nuclear scientists, enjoying sanctuary in Syria, could tell us about his nuclear program, or what is on their disks which was smuggled out of the country with them? And we have documented that Saddam easily got around the IAEA seals on weapons caches.

I believe there is much that has yet to be discovered about Saddam's quest for weaponry. And the Oil for Food scandal is only scratching the surface.

But WMD's was not the only reason for entering Iraq. It was merely the common ground for diplomatic appeal to the UN. Little did we know that too many of the G7 would never lift a hand to remove Saddam because of the hand over fist money they were making from the Oil for Food Programme.

This would be the "illegal" laws which you use to judge? The UN's law?

Tell me... why is it that it was humanitarian to intercede in places such in Kosovo, Bosnia where citizens were living under a despot and genocide was the norm... yet no one cares of the mass graves in Iraq, the torture chambers, or those that disappeared in the night for daring to speak their mind. I assume you also believe these were "illegal wars".

Or don't you? Does the UN stamp of approval govern your opinion on war?

You and so many other say we are "less safe" and "less stable". Using that thought, I would have to assume you believe that on Sept 10th, we as a world, or even as a country, were both more safe and stable. Perhaps you would like to ignore the terrorist events that have been escalating since 1961. The Islamic extremists have been getting more and more bold over time since the resistance to their actions has all but been ignored.

I do wish you would post your suggestions on the "legal ways to stop horrors". We know the sanctions were being thwarted and undermined, that the weapons inspectors were led awry at every turn or else ousted from Iraq. Perhaps you will grace us with other possibilities that were obviously overlooked by the rest of the world.

Lest you say we could have postponed the military assault on Baghdad, remember that our troops safety would have been comprised by waiting. The chemical suits and gear our soldiers would have to wear would have been their death in the Iraqi summer. It was then, or wait a year strategically. And, with the intel we had, that was a risk our Commander in Chief was not willing to take.

You also seem to conclude that the US coalition will just move from state to state making war. Perhaps you overlook that we have turned the tide on two former hotbeds in Pakistan and Libya... all without a shot fired. N. Korea, when they have exacted their economic extortion in exchange for quelling their nuclear programme, will also fall in line without a shot.

I don't suppose you celebrate Afghanistan's path to self-government either, do you?

Iran? We are going thru your "legal" channels as well as Sudan/Darfur. Will there be success? Hard to say... the UN peacekeeping efforts are a solid failure... from Bosnia to Rwanda. But what the hey... it will make you sleep easier at night despite the fact that as diplomats banter for months and sign treaties and resolutions that they break with nary a thought, millions more will die of genocide as they wait for the UN action.

What you perceive as unstable, I see as a world finally awakening to the dangers of tolerating intolerant Muslim extremists and their bloodthirsty quest for a world sans infidels.

You are obviously highly critical of America and the coalition for their presence in Iraq. Yet we are a nation with the most liberal of immigration policies. You seek the approval of the EU and UN for any action to make it "legal", yet you ignore their own state's directions as they place anti-Muslim immigration laws in force and battle the radical elements slowly taking over their countries. Look to Holland as a prime example of a diversity experiment gone wrong.

Wars have been a sad necessary thruout time... the American Revolution, the Civil War, both World Wars, just to name a few. We'd all like to live in your utoptian world, Tom. But in reality, it just doesn't exist.