Showing posts with label Electoral College. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Electoral College. Show all posts

Thursday, October 04, 2007

More media reporting/AP-Ipso poll BS

Alan Fram at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (perhaps they should rename that "pre-intelligencer"... ) gives his slanted summary of the latest AP-Ipso poll. To read and decide for yourself, here's the link to the poll & questions.

First, about the responders per Fram.... of the 1005 people polled, 48.6% (489) of them were Democrats. 36.4% (366) of them were Republicans. And 14.9% (150) of them were independents. Not leaning to one side by much, eh?

Altho that portrayal is not quite right, per the poll itself. In fact, the poll data at the end becomes quite confusing. Perhaps indicating that those asked for their initial party affiliation couldn't maintain that thought to the next questions!

The poll section labeled "Initial Party Identification" identifies responders as this: 23% Republican, 31% Democrats. 27% Independents, and 19% declined to plead guilty by association to anyone.

The next question wants to know are they "sorta" Dem/Rep, or middle of the road. And that's where Fram pulls his numbers.

More "grim" news for the GOP, sez Fram...

In a gauge of the public's grim mood, just 26 percent said they think the country is heading in the right direction, about where it has been stuck since late last year. Only 43 percent of Republicans, and less than 20 percent of Democrats and independents, said they think things are going well.

Ominously for Republicans, just 25 percent of moderates and 38 percent of conservatives are satisfied with the country's direction.



"Ominously", it appears an overwhelming amount of those calling themselves Republicans appear to be happier humans than their Democrat counterparts. No surprise there.

But this "going in the right direction" question plays both ways. *I* think we're going in the wrong direction... what with nanny state promises of socialized medicine, troop pull outs, lack of concern with terrorism and self defense, and unprofessional ism and corruption in Congress. So virtually everyone thinks, to some extent, that our Congress and govt is truly screwed up.

But notice polls don't ask anyone WHY they believe the country's going in the wrong direction. So what the heck does the question mean in the scheme of things??

Bush is apparently holding approval rates near where he's been for years.. in the low 30s. Considering how media battered he's been for 3-4 years, I think that's amazing. But it's notable that Fram seems to think that the 69% of Republicans polled that approved of the CIC's job is an "anemic" showing. Okay....

So let's go to Congress. 22% approval rating, and another new low. How about that 48% of Dems participating in the poll? Only 25% of them gave a thumbs up to their own party elitists in Congress. Now THAT's anemic, Alan. Where's the adjectives for them?

But Alan didn't want the Dim (not a typo...) Congress to feel too too bad. He offered up an excuse for their low approval.

Congress' lowest approval reading in the poll had been 24 percent, most recently in July. Its popularity often lags behind the president's because of public distaste toward the institution itself, and people often have far more positive feelings about their own representatives and senators.



"Often lags behind...". Okay.

How else did Bush fare?

"A record low 34 percent" on the economy. Of course, because it's Bush's fault on the subprime mess, eh? Add to that 31% of the responders are not vested in the stocks, bonds or mutual funds. So a stable and happy stock market plays not into their opinions.

31 percent on domestic issues such as health care, just below June's 32 percent.

29 percent approved of how Bush is handling Iraq

On foreign affairs and terrorism, 36 percent approved. Interesting... so much approval on terrorism and foreign affairs. Uh, isn't Iraq a part of that? Goes to show most responders can't hold a thought in their heads from question to question.

Additional factors here... there was 8-12% more Democrats weighing in. Also consider that 21% of those polled are not registered to vote (and therefore probably not paying much attention... like why should they?). And 15% are unemployed... uh that's why they're answering pollster phone calls. Does this mean there are more unemployed Democrats than Republicans??? :0)

Now... how about a reality check? This oh so "divided" nation doesn't seem so divided after all. The 30 percentile approval for such hotly contested issues as Iraq, and the ongoing hate Bush mania, doesn't look so bad when you consider Clinton was elected to the WH with 49.1% and 43.3% - not even a popular majority - in his two elections. It should be noted that even in the last election, Bush had over 50% of the votes

Last ditty... and relating to Clinton's non-majority win in his WH bids. London's Guardian touts a headline that says the Dems are rallying to "defend" the Electoral College election system. A more indepth article, dealing with California pondering whether or not to award electoral votes in the huge state via percentages of popular vote, appears here.

Really? "Defend"??? Well that's a kick in the pants considering recent history. Anyone remember the
2005 House Resolution proposed, sponsored by Jesse Jackson Jr (D-IL) and Frank (D-MA) to completely abolish the Electoral College?

Or how about
SB46 in 2007, where they wanted to merge the states' intent together to reflect the popular vote? Why have an Electoral College at all if it just mirrors the popular vote, eh? That was sponsored by Senator Gordon (D-CO).

The above attempts were by a disgruntled losing party in the past two elections. They want the urbanites in big cities to reign supreme in power over the rest of us in the country. Now, with risking the loss of a traditionally Democratic California looming, the Guardian labels them as guardians of this system?? Chutzpah.

And what a difference a day makes to a so-called, history/research challenged journalist....

Thursday, August 16, 2007

Dems wary of accurate voter representation in electoral college

Let me say this up front. I in no way support abolishing the electoral college system in the US. To do so would merely make the Prez/VP election nothing more than a popular vote, and the cities' voters would overwhelmingly control rural America by sheer mass of population in the urban areas.

I will also say that the electoral college could use some alteration. It's pretty darned frustrating to have a 49-51% split, and see the 51% take all, ignoring the other 49%'s wishes.

Yet, in the wake of two Dubya election successes, there's been alot of whining by Democrats in general, and increased calls to eliminate the electoral college. To them, the candidate with the most votes (one person, one vote, regardless of demography) should win.

Were that the case, Bill Clinton wouldn't have been elected either, garnishing only in the 30% of all popular votes.

In California, they are,
proposing a plan that divides the electoral college votes in a way that reflects the results of the states votes, district by district. This instead of awarding all votes to the popular winner.

You would think the Dems would love the notion of voters having a more accurate count of their votes, yes?

Not so.

LA lawyer with ties to the Republican Party wants California voters to change the way the nation's most populous state awards its electoral votes -- a proposal Democrats call a power grab but supporters describe as a blueprint for fairness in presidential contests.

snip

California allots its cache of 55 electoral votes to the statewide winner in presidential elections, a practice followed in most states.

But the proposal calls for awarding only two electoral votes to the statewide winner and the rest would be distributed to the winning candidate in each of the state's congressional districts. The change, in effect, would create 53 races with one electoral vote each that would make the state into a grab-bag for candidates in both parties.

California has voted Democratic in the last four presidential elections. The change -- if it qualifies for the June primary ballot and is approved by voters -- would mean that a Republican would be positioned the following November to snatch 20 or more electoral votes in GOP-leaning districts. That's a number equal to winning Ohio

snip

The committee is being supported by U.S. Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Democratic leaders in the Legislature.

The proposal is a "power grab orchestrated by the Republicans," Feinstein and Boxer said in a joint statement. It's "another cynical move to keep the presidency in Republican control."



Feinstein, among others, are on record with her crusade to place urbanites in control of elections.

"The Electoral College is an anachronism, and the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st century," Feinstein said in a statement. "During the founding years of the republic, the Electoral College may have been a suitable system, but today it is flawed and amounts to national elections being decided in several battleground states.''



Yes, Ms. Feinstein. That's the way it is. We are not a democracy, but a Republic. And it was created as such to insure than SF, NYC and other major urban centers do not exercise complete power over the rest of the nation. Elections have been, and will continue to be close in results. And sometimes, you lose.


Personally, I think the proposed California plan would better reflect who the country actually voted for. Now if we could just get the voter fraud bit under control....