Monday, July 23, 2007

For All You Poll Worshippers...

My oh my... have out one little NYTs/CBS poll from 7-20/22-07, and the anti-war crowd starts crying foul.

Lavish some pity on the unwary reporter, Megan Thee, who was saddled with serving up this bad news to their traditionally liberal NYTs readership.

In a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted over the weekend, 42 percent of Americans said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, while 51 percent said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq.

Support had been at all time low in May, when only 35 percent of Americans said the United States’ involvement in Iraq was the right thing and 61 percent said the United States should have stayed out.

BUT... she tries to save the day for the anti-crowd nonetheless with this ensuing paragraph.

Still, the latest poll made clear that a two-thirds majority of Americans continue to say the war is going badly. However, the number of people who say the war is going “very badly” has fallen from 45 percent earlier in July to a current reading of 35 percent, and of those who say it is going well, 29 percent now describe it as “somewhat well” compared to 23 percent just last week.

Okay... the tides have temporarily turned away from the progressive liberal's cause. But Megan wants to make sure you know that even if some are seeing validity in an Iraq not run by radical Islam, that the quest to do so is still being done badly. Gotta have a "hate Bush" agenda in there somewhere. Like who has run a perfect war to date?

So sorry the military hasn't got a swift, perfect win up their sleeve to impress you and ilk, Megan. But urban warfare can't be anything but messy. Especially when the enemy is virtually undistinguishable visually from ordinary citizens... and that includes women and children.

Point is, with Megan and other MSM slapping us silly with gloom'n'doom daily, studiously avoiding prominent mentions of US coalition/Iraq forces successes, it's no surprise the 2/3rds think the war is going badly. But let's not confuse the issue with facts and logic.

Now, so that some of these numbers may boggle you further, here's a look at the respondees' beliefs not pointed out in this article... most specifically on Iraq and it's relationship to the WOT.

32% believe Iraq is a major part of the WOT. 14% think it's a minor part. For the public schooled/math challenged... that's 46% in this poll who think the battle in Iraq is related in some way to battling radical Islam (which not all are named AQ, BTW...) I guess some heard the bad guys loud and clear when they said Iraq was the central front in the WOT.

By contrast, most others ignore Bin Ladin's line drawn in the Iraqi sand. 46% think Iraq has nothing to do with the battle with radical Islam terrorists. Add the 8% who either don't know, don't think the question is applicable, or don't give a whit. 54% still think the enemy is only Bin Ladin and his merry men, and the not Caliphate ideology.

Considering a majority of participants in this poll think Iraq has nothing to do with battling radical Islamic terrorists, the upswing in support % by the respondees is nothing short of amazing. We've either got folks who can't hold a train of thought from one question to the next, or that "it's just a civil war, folks" BS isn't taking hold.

Ms. Thee's eyes are probably glazing over with the ever-building comments to her article. Truly those most laughable are the liberals who religiously spout poll results for leaving Iraq now as the absolute will of "the American people", now blustering indignantly while questioning the poll's authenticity. A poll, BTW, conducted by two of their own liberal toadies, to boot.

A few samples of the comments to the article - what an example of the mind power of the US voter...

3.July 23rd,
3:33 pm This administration is so evil and insidious that they cynically use the terrorist threat as a tool to keep the public afraid and on their side. The terrible part is that there probably will be another attack at some point. No matter what happens though, I will never support Bush.

— Posted by Patricia Barry

HUH? The threat is merely a tool of the evil WH, but she believes there will be another attack? Heads up, Patricia... Bush ain't on the ballot in 2008.

Below... a group who thinks that the poll results might be rigged or something. Obviously Americans can't possibly be opting to consider striving for victory in Iraq...

11.July 23rd,
3:47 pm These polls aren’t probing enough. I’d like to know how many of the people who believe the war is going well are Haliburton employees and stockholders. I’d like to know how many of the people who think the war is going well and include themselves as informed about the war get all of their “news” from Fox. I’d like to know how many of the people who think the war is going well have ever been scammed into buying beachfront property in Arizona.

— Posted by gadfly

Mata Musing: To which another had to do the predictable counter reply. Why am I reminded of two kids battling in from of Mom... "You did it... no YOU did it!"... sigh

38.July 23rd,
4:21 pm I agree that these polls aren’t probing enough.

I’d like to know how many of the people who believe the war is going poorly are Hippies and Blame-America-Firsters (Hi, gadfly!). I’d like to know how many of the people who think the war is going poorly and include themselves as informed about the war get all of their “news” from Michael Moore and MoveOn. I’d like to know how many of the people who think the war is going poorly have ever been in the military, or know anyone currently serving, or have an agenda other than rabid Bush-hating.

— Posted by Dan


Mata Musing: But the questioning of the poll's legitimacy doesn't stop there...

22.July 23rd,

4:07 pm These types of polls show that American people do not answer based on independent thought. Rather, in general, they side with those who they feel loyalty to.

— Posted by Adam


24.July 23rd,
4:08 pm I am not surprised by the results—-a fickle public that is easily manipulated by the press. I won’t be surprised to read that the war in going beautifully as the Iowa Caucuses and primaries get closer.

The Republicans have already begun trying to torpedo the Democrats, and the press will side with Bush on the war.

— Posted by Marjorie Kearns

Mata Musing: Manipulative press, I buy. However Ms. Kearns shows she's pretty clueless on the sheer percentage of anti-Bush/anti-Iraq war coverage. Frankly, I can't remember a "press" being on the side of Bush since 911.


Mata Musing: And this one below is a gem! I thought all those low/moderate income types were Dems??

87.July 23rd,
5:06 pm It’s kind of sad to realize that all these low/ moderate income people support the Republican agenda with the feeling thay they are part of something bigger than their ordinary existence.
In truth, they are just head count.
Without them and the false inclusivness of religion and nationalism, the real Republicans could not protect the family fortunes.
Oh yeah, most importantly Bush and Cheney need you, the head count, to fight the war.
You can peek through the fence, but your never coming to the party.

— Posted by Bill Curtin


Here's one of those "love the one you're with/party of tolerance" members unwittingly demonstrating his bias hatred for his fellow Americans based on state residency...

88.July 23rd,
5:07 pm Wow, it’s amazing what kind of results you can end up with when you call 889 idiots in Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota. Oh don’t be jealous Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Oklahoma. I’m sure they’ll get to you next time.

— Posted by Alex


Mata Musing: Lord B evidently doesn't realize that almost all the polls conducted by well-known, established pollsters (are based on 1000 responses or thereabouts. Including the polls he probably prefers to believe from Zogby, etal. I'd wager that never once has Lord B questioned the "credibility" of a poll that states most Americans are for a quick withdrawal with a similar sampling.

113.July 23rd,
5:33 pm Honestly, Megan, your polling “story” is not news! And I don’t find it credible in the least for the New York Times to say that after sampling less than 900 people “42 percent of Americans said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do.”

Try phoning those 900 individuals in the San Francisco/Bay Area or for that matter, Seattle, WA or for that matter Austin, TX or New York City, or anywhere Vermont! You’d get a much different percentage. I seriously question the credibility of this poll as I question the credibility of all these poles done by the NY Times.

I don’t find the New York Times polling credible enough to be able to assert figures that speak for the country as a whole. This is a non-story.

— Posted by Lord B


Mata Musing: Saved my favorite for last... concur, 'cepting that "100%" bit. Don't agree with Bush on many issues, but I do on fighting radical Islam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

But yep... polls are BS. Even when they are swinging the same direction I believe.

70.July 23rd,
4:52 pm I always laugh at these “polls”. How can they possibly be accurate? No one asked me what I think! Did they ask you? Doubtful… By the way, for the record, I support President Bush 100%!

— Posted by A. Murphy

Mata Musing: What's scary is, unlike 27% of this poll's respondees, most of the authors of these above comments probably not only vote, but consider themselves well educated on current issues...

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